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Nov 16, 2018

In Part 14 of Redlining & White Noise, Charles Rotramel and Gregg Taylor speak with Dain and Constance Perry. Dain is a direct descendant of James DeWolf who was the patriarch of America’s leading slave trading enterprise and at the time of his death, the second wealthiest person in America. In this moving episode of Redlining & White Noise, we talk with the Perrys about family history, get their lived wisdom about Complicity, Culpability, and Responsibility, and hear their thoughts on what’s necessary to heal the ongoing wound of America’s original sin.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

Traces of the Trade film

Recommended Reading

Waking Up White by Debbie Irving

Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome: America’s Story of Enduring Injury and Healing by Joy DeGruy

Inheriting the Trade by Thomas DeWolf

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